Curse

AshenX · Mar 29, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antithesis

AoE must play some role - it's easy to see that it does when doing Sliver runs.
It makes absolute sense that it does - lootscaling was implemented to combat AoE bot farmers.
To what degree it plays a role quite likely does come down to how many were killed over a unit of time.

As FoxBat suggests, maybe kills/time = lootscaling. As MLiC suggsts, drops that otherwise would have been assigned to you are taken away....we're not rewarded for speedy kills, we're punished. Kinda flies in the face of the whole premise of the game in that greater skill = greater reward.

This supports almost every theory in this thread including manitoba's (i think, i can never tell what he's on about). But what drops does AoE effect?
At the very least we've created additional tests for Skinny's playground, results should be interesting.

My only point of disagreement here is with the implied suggestion that AOE mass killing is automatically a representation of skill. Of course you have to learn the bar and there may very wel be finesse required to use it properly but I can't honetly say that either my AOE farming bar or my sliver armor bar require me to be a particularly skilled player for them to be effective. I dont mean this to a be an insult to hardcore farmers but many popular farming runs can practically be done in your sleep.

Antithesis · Mar 29, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshenX

My only point of disagreement here is with the implied suggestion that AOE mass killing is automatically a representation of skill.
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I dont mean this to a be an insult to hardcore farmers but many popular farming runs can practically be done in your sleep.

Shhhh....don't tell anyone! If a bot can run an AoE build it's gotta say something about the skill required

Ultima pyromancer · Mar 29, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Ok heres something interesting

Notice something dropped about every 5 enemies

FoxBat · Mar 29, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Comparing results from one run isn't terribly robust, but anyway.
Your skale teeth/fins are stacked but are seperate items. The Degen run has 16 LS items and the SV run 15 LS items. The Degen also has a ton more gold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antithesis

But what drops does AoE effect?
At the very least we've created additional tests for Skinny's playground, results should be interesting.

In theory, it should only effect lootscaled items. Whites except for rare crafting/normal skill tome, blues, and gold.

Maverick2201 · Apr 02, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Looking at this:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Loot_scaling

What would something like a glacial stone be considered? A common item? If so, then the real answer to this question is, what are you farming for?

I tend to agree after a significant amount of HM Vaettir farming that you will get many more drops overall using sliver armor. If I aggro one whole side (30 or so Vaettirs), I'll only get maybe 1 or 2 white items but I'll get golds and tomes, etc. I have also found that I will not get nearly as many glacial stones.

Based on this, I assume ANet considers collectible drops as common white items and therefore, if you're farming for them, you should not kill everything at once as you will definately get fewer.

If you're merely farming for tomes or gold drops or anything that is not loot scaled, you can do all the AoE nuking you want because I don't think those items are affected.

I have also noticed, in reference to the time/kill argument, when you first cast sliver armor when surrounded by 30+ vaettirs, they drop like flies.. very quickly. Even when you're using a single-target skill like sliver armor, if they die very very quickly, they do not drop as much stuff. I notice this because during the first cast of sliver armor I get maybe 3-4 items even though they're dying one at a time. Once I get the mob around me down to 10 or so, sliver armor is much more effective at extracting drops from them. Almost makes me want to try sliver on much smaller groups of them... maybe only pull 5-10 at a time instead of 30+.

Thats just my $0.02

Ultima pyromancer · Apr 08, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I just noticed something during this weekends event. Golds, Tomes and dyes dropped a hell of a lot more. I was getting like 2-3 golds every raptor farm using E/a Sliver armor

So what im thinking is for events, they dont just put festival items in, they increase all NON lootscaled drops.

Bit off topic but i thought id put that in

but more on topic, has anybody used another raptor farming build had better/worse drops on average?